Monday, August 27, 2007

What's On Your Reading List?

What's on your reading list?
What are you currently reading, interested in reading, or planning to read?

Sunday, August 19, 2007

God's Warriors: A Cross Blog Discussion

So, Tim wants to know if The Emergent Abbey is interested in participating in a cross blog discussion of this article.

I have (tentatively) spoken for us and said yes. ('though of course it's ok if y'all usurp my authority. :) )

Saturday, August 18, 2007


"A mention of this verse on Jesus Creed got me looking for other commentary from Orthodox Christians on it. I know that the Orthodox take this both figuratively as referring to the work of the Theotokos in bearing Christ, and literally in teaching that the inherent self-sacrificial love of motherhood births Christ both in the mother and in others. These are really two aspects of the same thing. What the Theotokos did, we must all do- take in the life of Christ and bear Him in our lives.

Protestantism is uneasy with such comfortable handshakes of allegory and the literal."

Gina, Women will be saved through childbearing

These words are still ringing in my consciousness.

1 Timothy 2:15 says women can be saved through childbearing.
How so? I ask. Gina answers the question. However, in consideration of childbearing happening through marriage, the sacrament of marriage that is...
It gives good argument in support of Marriage actually being a sacrament - sacrament being defined as more than just an "ordination" as Protestantism likes to define it. A Sacrament in the sense that it is a vehicle in which God's Grace is manifested.
If Holy Matrimony truly is "Holy Mother-making" this all falls into place.

What profound thoughts. Parenthood by necessity becomes a vocation.

I'd love to expand on these thoughts further. Does any of you have thoughts on this?

Tuesday, August 14, 2007

A Pauline Corruption?

1 Timothy 2:11-15

"A woman is to learn in quietness and full submission" 1 Tim. 2:11
Learn in silence? Do not discuss? Do not converse? Full submission in issues of learning? Do not question, do not think, do not educate, but indoctrinate; have blind-faith, but not thoughtfulness?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Tim. 2:12
I'm a little confused here. So, who does not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man? Paul, or God?
Paul has already admitted that some aspects of his Pauline Christianity are solely his and not the Lord's:
"...I give this command (not I, but the Lord)..." 1 Corinth. 7:10
"...I say this (I, not the Lord)..." 1 Corinth. 7:12

"For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one decievd and became a sinner." 1 Tim. 2:13-14
It wasn't Adam's fault. Adam didn't fall, Eve did. It's woman's fault. (Seems to me that Paul completely missed the lesson of "The Parable of the Finger-Pointing" (Gen. 3:12-14).)

"But woman will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety." 1 Tim. 2:15
...however, there is hope for all evil womanhood! She may be saved (or restored) through pregnency! (Although I thought salvation could not be attained by our own merits or actions and was only through the Christ, I guess I was wrong).

Although I don't honestly believe any of these things, it does make me seriously wonder about PAul.
I fully subscribe to the idea that Jesus intended to end all religion (see, but Paul seemed to heavily focused on creating a new, or at least a hybred religion.

He comes from a very educated background (he was a Pharisee after all), and he seemed to be attempting to merge this new and revolutionary teaching into an older religion he understood. He seemed to want to find a way to "insert" Christ's teachings into the more commonly understood practice of Judaism and Mosaic Law.

I can't help but wonder if JEsus warned us about this very thing:
"And no one pours wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins." Mark 2:22

Is Jesus warning us what will happen if we attempt to insert a "new" God (new wine) into an old religion (old wineskin)? We are plainly told the consequences:
...and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined".

What have we done? What has Paul done?!
But this isn't a "new" God, you say, this is the same old God of the Old Testament.

"...from now one, you do know him,[the Father] and have seen him." John 14:7

Jesus would seem to be implying that we did not "know" Him.

Monday, August 6, 2007

Bride of Christ

Really, I was thinking about nuns and habits and wimples and veils, which led me to thinking of nuns taking vows to be wed to Christ, which led me to Google Bride of Christ, which took me to this web site. These robes are beautiful, aren't they? I'm assuming that most of the clientele are African-American women, just because I'm familiar with the exquisite clothing that many women in black churches wear, and from what little I know, there seems to be more women in ministry in African-American churches. (And there are terms on their site about "First Lady" and "Evangelist".)
So this is not really an Emergent nun posting (except if we were going to purchase habits, I'd suggest buying them from Bride of Christ Robes.) But I'm wondering why it's so acceptable for women to be pastors, ministers, apostles, bishops and evangelists in the black community, when it seems to still be such an issue for white churches? What do you think?

Sunday, August 5, 2007

Why Nuns?

What is it about nuns that fascinates you?