1 Timothy 2:11-15
"A woman is to learn in quietness and full submission" 1 Tim. 2:11
Learn in silence? Do not discuss? Do not converse? Full submission in issues of learning? Do not question, do not think, do not educate, but indoctrinate; have blind-faith, but not thoughtfulness?
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Tim. 2:12
I'm a little confused here. So, who does not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man? Paul, or God?
Paul has already admitted that some aspects of his Pauline Christianity are solely his and not the Lord's:
"...I give this command (not I, but the Lord)..." 1 Corinth. 7:10
"...I say this (I, not the Lord)..." 1 Corinth. 7:12
"For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one decievd and became a sinner." 1 Tim. 2:13-14
It wasn't Adam's fault. Adam didn't fall, Eve did. It's woman's fault. (Seems to me that Paul completely missed the lesson of "The Parable of the Finger-Pointing" (Gen. 3:12-14).)
"But woman will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety." 1 Tim. 2:15
...however, there is hope for all evil womanhood! She may be saved (or restored) through pregnency! (Although I thought salvation could not be attained by our own merits or actions and was only through the Christ, I guess I was wrong).
Although I don't honestly believe any of these things, it does make me seriously wonder about PAul.
I fully subscribe to the idea that Jesus intended to end all religion (see http://docs.google.com/View?docid=d3jmtfk_29f56gzp), but Paul seemed to heavily focused on creating a new, or at least a hybred religion.
He comes from a very educated background (he was a Pharisee after all), and he seemed to be attempting to merge this new and revolutionary teaching into an older religion he understood. He seemed to want to find a way to "insert" Christ's teachings into the more commonly understood practice of Judaism and Mosaic Law.
I can't help but wonder if JEsus warned us about this very thing:
"And no one pours wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins." Mark 2:22
Is Jesus warning us what will happen if we attempt to insert a "new" God (new wine) into an old religion (old wineskin)? We are plainly told the consequences:
...and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined".
What have we done? What has Paul done?!
But this isn't a "new" God, you say, this is the same old God of the Old Testament.
"...from now one, you do know him,[the Father] and have seen him." John 14:7
Jesus would seem to be implying that we did not "know" Him.